Wendy L. White Photography

March 4, 2011

Digital images

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I get one question over and over. “Do you sell a disk of all images?” No. I do not. There are many reasons. Who DOES sell disks?

Most people who are starting out need practice, that means they need people to shoot. Many of them offer a low sitting fee and give the people the disk. Portfolio building. But, then they either give up photography or get better and start charging for their services and products. As a photographer gets better, they are able to charge for their talent and ability. Nothing great is free right?

On the other end of the spectrum are photographers that are very good. They will sell a disk in many cases, but it will cost you:) They’ve edited all of the beautiful images and instead of you ordering prints, you want a disk. They will probably charge at least the amount of their average print order.

Giving someone a disk of all digital images is dangerous for business. Let’s say that I sell John Q Public a disk. They go to our local retail store or our local pro camera store (which should be great at printing, right?) And they get a nice 16×20 and hang it on their wall. The problem? It has a green cast, looks blurry and shows very little detail in the shadows. “Who took your pictures on that wall?” your neighbor/friend/co-worker asks. “Wendy L White!” That’s why it makes me quiver! It’s not a good representation of my work. Also, photographers spend YEARS working on color. White balance and color are a major difference between a pro and person that decided to be a photographer yesterday. Your skin should not be blown out, you should not be yellow or green, and the picture shouldn’t look like it glows in the dark. I’m getting off track- I would like to say- when deciding on a photographer, look at their photos, are things in focus? I mean real focus? Do the lines swim?

I say this often, but what do they say? The proof is in the pudding? Who know what that means… SO here are some pictures of prints. I used Miller’s Pro (a professional photographer’s lab), MPIX.com (a great public option), a local retail store, and our local camera store (statewide store). Why didn’t I show WHCC, Miller’s, and several pro labs? They are all high quality, the result would have been the same. Why didn’t I use Walgreens, Target, Wal-Mart, and several other retail stores? Because thay would all be similar. MPIX is the only public option that I can speak highly of. Several other places just have you pick your prints up at Wal Mart, etc. That just means that Wal Mart is printing the pics…

I do quickly want to say that Miller’s is EXTREMELY fast in most cases. MPIX is fast (usually a few days by mail), the other places are 1 hour- which is the only plus for them frankly. :) AND cost. I’m only going to cover the cost for the public options, (my size was 5×7- my snobby opinion is that 4×6′s are not the best looking prints anyway- another story, another day… :) . OK, so 5×7 pricing: MPIX.com- .99 each, local camera store- .99 each, and large retail store- 1.47- wait is that right?! yes. In my opinion, the poorest quality and highest price (and where I think most people go).
So, back to pudding, or whatever…

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For the image below, I didn’t show MPIX and Miller’s because they were the same and I wanted you to be able to see how bad the other 2 were in the shadows, so I cropped them in a bit. Can you image the detail that you lose on a large print in these places?

So, my final thought?… Why am I even doing this if I don’t sell disks?! Well, when I do mini sessions, I do sell disks. I also sell jpeg images for people to use for birth announcements, etc. Those all get printed, so I’m hoping to show that where you print matters. MPIX.com is a great public option. I know. You have to wait a few days for the prints to come, but it is well worth the wait! Why pay me the big bucks to take your picture if you don’t care what the prints look like? :)
Here is a link to Miller’s: http://www.millerslab.com/
Here is a link to MPIX: http://mpix.com/
Here is a link to my Facebook page, come and “like” me, say hi.: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wendy-L-White-Photography/136740919498?ref=ts

58 Comments »

  1. Wowza! What an awesome post. I am one of those that sells digital files at a high price but it really makes me rethink even that. Thank you!

    Comment by Aubri — March 5, 2011 @ 12:40 am

  2. Love this Wendy and so true! Thank you so much for sharing all your information

    Comment by Casey Johnson — March 5, 2011 @ 12:48 am

  3. i absolutely LOVED seeing all these comparisons- especially the details and how they get lost when not using a pro printer (not to mention color distortion, etc). Fantastic article!!

    Comment by Melanee — March 5, 2011 @ 12:50 am

  4. This is a GREAT post – thanks for taking the time to do this and post it.

    Comment by jay — March 5, 2011 @ 2:16 am

  5. THanks Wendy! I shared this on my Facebook page! Love the post!

    Comment by velvetowlphotography — March 5, 2011 @ 6:27 am

  6. Great post!!!

    Comment by diana carver photography — March 5, 2011 @ 7:18 am

  7. Thanks for an awesome post…I’ve linked to this on my Facebook. I have been recently talking about doing the same thing with prints as well for comparison for my clients. Thanks again!

    Comment by Michelle Spitz — March 5, 2011 @ 12:20 pm

  8. Danella–I so enjoy your EVERYTHING in all the aspects of your life~That just is such a draw…People love you and your work!!!!

    Comment by Shirley May Johnson — March 5, 2011 @ 6:16 pm

  9. Thank you Wendy for laying it out there! I put a link on my Facebook too

    Comment by Becky Hardgrave — March 5, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

  10. On the flip side (coming from a consumer), the reason I want digital images from a photography session has absolutely nothing to do with prints and everything to do with sharing the photos digitally with my friends and family. I can’t remember the last time I sat down and looked through an actual photo album. I share and view photos digitally through Facebook, AppleTV, Wii or some other digital medium. I want to put my professionally taken photos on my iPhone or as my computer background. Yeah, I want a few in frames on the wall, but I want more stored electronically and backed up at an offsite server (like the rest of my digital files) so I can keep them indefinitely, even if the print gets damaged or lost.

    In this digital age it is a little archaic to keep clamps on digital images. You’re going to have to change this policy in the near future as more of the population takes my view. It’s inevitable, you might as well realize it now and get a jump on the digital image game.

    Comment by Brandon — March 5, 2011 @ 8:40 pm

  11. This is great. I wanted to do this after I saw a print my SIL printed that I took at a local pharmacy! I then ordered some of my photos from Costco just to see and WHOA…big difference. I am going to have to do a similar post soon!

    Comment by Noel Kelley — March 5, 2011 @ 9:31 pm

  12. Thank You for this! A great read for clients.

    Comment by Lore — March 6, 2011 @ 1:26 am

  13. Great post. I never sell disks for this reason. Just so you know Millers is the professional side of Mpix ( same company).

    Comment by Jamison Foster — March 6, 2011 @ 1:42 am

  14. Thanks you guys. Brandon- I agree with you. As a great friend of mine put it, “If a photographer took photos of my child, I want to own them.” I rarely print, partly because of time, but I have a few large ones on my wall, but don’t update as often as I need to. We want to own our images more than print them. This article was geared toward printing. As I mentioned, you’ll either get a disk from someone starting out or pay big bucks for digital images from a pro. I do appreciate the feedback and your honest opinion. Thanks a bunch!

    Comment by admin — March 6, 2011 @ 2:12 am

  15. Good consumer education topic, Wendy, and worth linking on our own blogs. One technical point to make to your great friend who said they want to own their images is that even IF their photographer provides them with a disk of images from their session, they still won’t OWN the images unless the photographer grants them copyright to them. What they may have is a LICENSE to print the images on their own. Since this article is about consumer education, I thought I should point that out for them.

    Neil

    Comment by Neil Copeland — March 6, 2011 @ 2:36 pm

  16. thanks so much Wendy for doing this for all of us to refer to and to show the comparison. Awesome.

    Comment by Laura Mooney — March 7, 2011 @ 12:17 am

  17. This is so, so, so great!!! I do not sell disks for this very reason and 9 out of 10 clients ask me to. May I share this on my facebook??

    Comment by Anna Thomas — March 7, 2011 @ 3:21 pm

  18. Thanks so much for posting this. I am just starting out in my semi-pro photography career. I did offer disks in my first year, but I am still trying to decide what to do in this next year. This gives me something to think about. :)

    Comment by Jamie — March 7, 2011 @ 6:09 pm

  19. I wanted to start by saying thank you for not bashing the little people who do charge a low sitting fee and give out a disk. If I could, I would charge more and do my own printing because I do know how vital that is to the finish product. Unfortunately, I don’t have a large portfolio to back those kind of prices at this point either so I take any work I can get.

    p.s. – I absolutely love your work.

    Comment by Krystal M — March 7, 2011 @ 7:44 pm

  20. I could cry I’m so happy! I’ve just introduced a session package with a disc instead of print credit. I actually did cry when I published the note. I’ve decided to do it, though, because it’ll bring in more clients (sad, but we need the money). I want to eventually phase it back out because QUALITY, PROFESSIONAL prints are so important to me. The difference – agh! A picture really is worth a thousand words. I’m posting a link to this post at my business Facebook page, and I’ll absolutely be copying your idea (with credit to you for bursting through my mental block!!) in a blog post of my own, using my print lab and the labs my clients like to use for their pictures. I can’t thank you enough for sharing this – it’s really a God thing.

    Comment by Megan Floyd — March 8, 2011 @ 4:36 pm

  21. Thank you so much!! Great article and amazing demonstration on WHY we should all print at a professional lab!

    Comment by Dawn Chandler — March 8, 2011 @ 10:43 pm

  22. Completely off subject…but thank you for mentioning how important knowledge of color is in order to be a professional. I’m currently a student nearing graduation, with goals of becoming a professional designer and photographer, and I have spent an incredible amount of time studying color, gray balance, etc. and it is very eye opening to who the real professionals are in the industry and who are not! So, thank you for this post! Its comforting to know a professional that implements the things I’ve been studying so hard lately! :D

    Comment by Shelby — March 9, 2011 @ 4:22 am

  23. I agree with brandon. I buy the pictures I want for hanging up or showing off and giving out to our close friends and family. However with the size of our entire family we can’t purchase enough professional pictures and alot live out of state so having the disk is very important to me. I know several others who feel the same way and we won’t have them done without that option. I understand your reasons for it as well because the quaility is poor. It would be a tough decision because you want your customers happy but don’t have people think your work is poor!

    Comment by Tara — March 9, 2011 @ 7:37 am

  24. thank you, Wendy, for creating this post. we shared this link to your page on our notes for others to be informed by. thank you very much for sharing!

    Comment by jessica — March 9, 2011 @ 6:39 pm

  25. This is great! I will be reposting your link on my FB fan page …. this is what I try to explain to my clients ALL the time. I do offer a disc, but I hate doing so. I just raised the price of the disc by 75% just to deter the purchase. So, why do I even offer it? I am still asking myself that… THANKS!!!!

    Comment by Heidi — March 10, 2011 @ 3:46 am

  26. Thanks for this Wendy. Funny enough I have been questioning whether to inlude the dics of images it seems to be something Joe Public thinks is a must. But this post which I have shared I think hi lights why professional photographers opted to produce finishes pieces for clients and not give them a file. Great Post!

    Comment by sarah — March 10, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

  27. I do not even bother contacting a photographer if they won’t offer disks. Like Brandon, I want my photos as digital files. I may print one, maybe two. If I can’t have those files on a disk, then you aren’t worth my time or money.

    Comment by ME — March 11, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

  28. I have a question: I thought mpixpro was the same lab as Millers?

    Comment by Kali — March 11, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  29. Great post – Thank you. I wanted to point out that even thought you or your photographer may not offer “images on a disc” you/they may offer web-sized (4×5, 72dpi) for sharing in emails and facebook. I am considerig this option so they can have a ditital copy and be able to share them, without being able to print them larger.

    Comment by Holli — March 11, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

  30. THANK you so much for posting this. it is absolutely FAB! I shared this on my photography fan page and I hope this helps other photogs that follow me and i also hope it helps explain why i push prints so much :) although i do not use miller’s, i use WHCC. i think they are similar :) THANKS

    Comment by Jennifer — March 11, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

  31. I can definitely see everyone’s point of view on this topic. But thought I would offer up some food for thought. Most people who want the disc, want to be able to share their pictures digitally via social media and email. For people like me who live 1500 miles away from all of my family, sharing pictures on facebook is the only way I have been able to share my precious baby growing up. I will purchase prints for the photos I will be displaying, but I always want the disc of pictures to share them and also to have all the pictures from the shoot. As a parent, it becomes almost excruciating at times to choose the few photos you will make into prints. Without having the disc, the rest of the photos are lost forever. Even though you don’t necessarily want to buy prints of the photo with your baby drooling all over the place, its really nice to have for memories! Another point I wanted to make, is that often times, when discs are not offered people still want to share the photos digitally, they ofen scan the pictures or even take a picture of the picture. Doing this causes the quality of the photo to diminish much more drastically than offering a digital file of the picture. The pictures are then posted on social media sites or emailed and often times people will ask who took the photos. So, the photographers name/business is still being linked to an image that is less quality than the photographer would like. It’s really a catch 22 from a photographers atand point. So why not make the customers happy and offer AFFORDABLE digital files? Maybe compromise and offer the cd only if prints are ordered and this way everyone is happy? Personally I know alot of parents who will actually go to a photographer who may not be quite as experienced in the professional world simply because they offer the cd or they offer the cd at an affordable price. It shouldn’t cost an arm and a leg to obtain digital files of your child’s pictures, especially if you are ordering prints. I realize the point of charging so much is to deter the purchase, but I think you may be turning away potential clients but doing this.

    Comment by Mindi — March 11, 2011 @ 11:03 pm

  32. Wow scary how bad the other prints came out. They are darker and so blue. Thanks for the educational post!

    Comment by Laurie — March 11, 2011 @ 11:07 pm

  33. Wendy LOVE this and would like to ask your permission to link it in my current blogpost http://daydreamphotographybykatherine.blogspot.com/2011/02/can-i-get-that-on-disk.html

    Thanks

    Comment by Katherine Weeks — March 11, 2011 @ 11:13 pm

  34. Wendy – I think we can all appreciate the amount of time you have put into this project to share not only the difference in quality but pricing as well. I think clients think they want the disk but in the end they really want a beautiful, finished piece of art to share and cherish. I hope it is ok to share the post. Thanks!

    Comment by skye snyder — March 12, 2011 @ 1:37 am

  35. So how does Smugmug compare with Millers and mpix? I have noticed that pictures from professional photographers are ordered thru smugmug.

    Comment by Amber Johnson — March 12, 2011 @ 5:38 am

  36. Your proof is in the pudding is my seeing is believing :) I actually go out with printing samples in my bag and at the end of the session have them touch, feel and see the difference. I sell CD’s- but only with printing rights up to 8×10- so there is no danger of them enlarging up to 16×20 at Sam’s Club for instance. The files are sized appropriately and all printing rights are on the CD sticker. I am sure to point out if they do attempt to go above the 8×10 size they will not be happy because the images will lose quality because the res/size is not made for wall prints. Those have to come through me. A lot of my clients want the discs to simply have each image to place in an album, make copies for grandma etc. I also have a sticker saying that JellyBean Pictures is not responsible for poor printing quality and that I highly urge the use of mpix.com. Just food for thought. There are options and limits that can be set to both protect your work AND satisfy your clients.

    Comment by Jennifer Tonetti-Spellman — March 12, 2011 @ 11:42 am

  37. Have u ever used costco for printing? Im curious how they do.

    Comment by darcy — March 12, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

  38. I like this post because printer choice is reeally important. However I do disagree with some of the points. I’m a photographer by experience not by school who decided to go pro just cuz I love it. And I could use some technical classes to learn more about the science, BUT, I think that even amatuers with pro cameras can do amazing work that you could and should charge decent pricing for. I do not understand the concept of charging tons of money no matter how experienced or talented you are. I learned that real life lesson from my photography mentor, who still charges only 400.00 for a wedding. You can’t judge an artist by thier prices or a book by it’s cover. Good advice for being able to tell if a photographer is good tho. Clarity is key. However, I disagree with the skin tones angle. You should always include what I call Vanilla shots, you know the ones that are your typical pose with typical skin color etc. But people usually love to have the artsy ones too…which means yellow or other various colors skin and backdrop via editing for special effects. One important fact tho, ALWAYS interview your clients WELL! Find out if they like this vs that effect…all it takes is one photo edited all the different ways you can for them to see what style they luv. I vote all you aspiring photographers go wild with your creativity, sell discs because it’s what the people want wether it’s best for them or not. I will always sell discs. I disagree with those who spike Disc prices up, sooo wrong. I give my disc free with the fee for taking the photos. One fee, one act, one product, no hassle. Amen to the whole image ownership comments. If it were me, I’d want total control. So that’s what I give. Golden rule.

    Comment by Carrie — March 12, 2011 @ 6:57 pm

  39. If only the public cared about these things as much as we do. I would bet that 80% of clients don’t think the differences above are significant enough to worry about–especially when they consider the price difference.

    Comment by Todd — March 13, 2011 @ 5:20 am

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  41. Thank you so much for sharing this. I’ve been planning on doing the very same thing and haven’t taken the time to yet. This is priceless, hope you don’t mind me sharing it.

    Comment by Amy Matthews — March 13, 2011 @ 9:02 pm

  42. As a consumer, I’d never hire a photographer who didn’t offer a disc and the reason is because I like to have my files backed up so I can use them as I please, and also have them available in the event that they are lost or damaged. I like to be able to print and then re-print a year later if I want to. I change my mind about when and where I want to use my prints, how many I need, etc. I also don’t like the idea of losing photos that are precious to me–my weddings photos and my children’s professional photos are all backed up on discs which are kept in a fire proof box, so that if they are ever lost or damaged, I can re-print them. I’m just going to go out on a limb and guess that you don’t have every file available for your clients to re-order prints in the event that they needed to do so, years down the road. This is why the digital age is so wonderful, and is why digital photography appeals to so many people–it isn’t just the fact that they can print their photos at Costco. I don’t doubt that some people do that, but I think you should give your clients more credit. If I have enough sense to seek out an artistic, skilled photographer, I have enough sense to print my photos at a place that will do them justice. I personally have been printing my professional photos at mpix.com for the past 5 years, and know many others who do as well.

    Comment by Kessler — March 14, 2011 @ 2:16 am

  43. Hello Wendy,

    Awesome post here! This is something that more of our clients should be aware of. You did a great job of telling and *showing* folks the differences in quality of output from the exact same file, when printed by different labs. I have heard nothing but great things about Millers, although I use Bay Photo, which is also awesome.

    BTW – LOVE the baby portraits!

    Comment by mark stover — March 14, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

  44. Great Post!!! Thanks so much for sharing these words!! More Consumers need to be aware of print quality! I have sadly had experiences where my clients have printed my prints locally and can only imagine what the print quality is! I definitely have short sold myself in the past, I have constantly gone through a mental battle in regards to offering digital (full resolution) files to my clients. I now require a minimum print purchase with all of my packages.

    Comment by Lisie — March 14, 2011 @ 6:50 pm

  45. LOVE this post. I agree that the public wants a cd of images to show and share and I offer a web quality cd of images for that purpose. I would never offer a cd of images that could be printed simply for the reasons stated in this post. I did offer cd’s of print quality images when I started out. It’s a great way to build your portfolio and get some business but you will never make enough to make photography a job for you doing that. I spend a lot of time with my clients. When I figured out how much I was making it was close to $3.00 per hour. It is really not fair considering the amount of time and money I put into learning and perfecting my craft to expect me to work for $3.00 an hour.

    Comment by Gen — March 14, 2011 @ 10:42 pm

  46. I want to touch on a few things- someone mentioned having them forever, etc. I do keep all of my sessions. They are on several EHDs and I will have them in 20 years, if they want to buy them. But, they’ll have to buy them . That is part of it. The photographers that have gotten good have worked hard and banged their heads against walls to get where they are. In your job, if you’ve been there for 10 years and you are the best at what you do, do you tell your boss, “Aww, just pay me minimum wage, it’s only fair!” No. You charge for your work based on experience and skill.

    Seriously, we’ve all had regular jobs, did you expect to be paid? Did you expect to be paid differently on day 1 vs Year 5 or 6? That’s the bottome line. People that are great and have spent time, money, TIME away from their family, crawling around in dirt and mosquitoes, learning how to shoot and edit, ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEMSELVES AWAY. Consumers don’t work for free. This may be the dream job, and sometimes it’s very fun. So sometimes, people think they can look at it as us just having fun. For those of us who value our time, our products and always learn and grow it’s a job and a business. We get a million emails from people wanting tips, tricks and answers, most of the time, it’s some person that just bought a camera and they want the quick, cheap, and easy way. That’s why so many people aren’t an open book- people don’t want to work and do it the hard way and EARN it, they want some magic formula to good editing- it starts with good shooting. But, I digress…

    Someone said they live far from their family and want pictures for the web. Well, that’s why we do free previews on FB and blogs.
    Someone said they can’t possibly pick a few pictures. Well, it’s hard for me to leave some of those shoes at the shoe store, but when I walk in, I know that I’m shopping and it’s a business transaction and I’ll buy what I can. Use your point and shoots, capture your kids all of the time, you’ll have those forever! When you pay a pro, you get a few nice pictures to put on your wall.
    Someone said to give clients credit, that they know better. Some do. A lot don’t- our own families don’t. If it wasn’t a problem, I wouldn’t have posted this. :)
    Someone else said they disagree with good skin tones. Hello! There’s are and artisitc use of nice tones and then there is, “Woweee look what my Photoshop can do.” You all kmow what I mean, and we’ve probably all been guily of it in the beginning. But there’s something to be said for looking at your own work and knowing the difference between “good” and “could use some improvement”. Humility is something this world could use a little more of. I know I’ll never stop learning. But, I know I rarely tell people outside of my “work activities” that I’m a photographer, because WHO’s NOT these days.

    The person that said they will always sell disk, one sitting fee, free disk or whatever. And, someone else said something about high disk prices. It’s not just for the fun of charging a lot. It’s because if an average print order is $500 to $1500, how can I “give” or cheaply sell you a disk? Don’t lie! What do they say? The only people that say looks don’t matter are ugly people? Well, they only people who say that they work for nothing are people who want to be paid someday. Again, people pay for experience and consistent QUALITY. Give a monkey a P&S camera and they’ll come back with a few printable pics. Pros know how to do it 99% of the time. The silhouette shot was not an accident, and they can do it again. Want to stand in front of a window, ok, don’t want glow in the dark orange skin:o – not a problem. :) I know. I’m probably not winning you 4 or 5 people over… There’s always gotta be a few right? Can’t agree with everyone. Well, I DO know some, but they are not being honest!

    I could go on, but the other 95% of you agree and I want to say, Thank you and you’re more than welcome to share it for those of you that asked.

    Comment by admin — March 15, 2011 @ 4:16 am

  47. Wendy,
    I want to say a great big “THANK YOU” for this post. I am currently searching for a wedding photographer, but do not want a lot of “traditional” pics. I’m looking for the photographer who’s going to capture those special, personal moments of my day where my fiance and i can look back and say “oh, i remember that.” The two I have been looking at the most offer a disk, but only if you are purchasing a package. I think this is very important. I want high quality pictures and am willing to pay for them. Now I also know what to look for when it comes to having pictures of our future children taken.

    Comment by Michelle — March 15, 2011 @ 11:49 pm

  48. very relevent for todays studio – want to hear more what people think. No easy answer on this BIG questions. Seen a lot in the 18 years of owning a studio.

    Comment by nancy wood — March 17, 2011 @ 6:24 pm

  49. I started offering a disk about a year ago but I have strict stipulations!
    1) if a client orders over $400 in prints I will sell them digital files of the images they purchased prints of for an additional $50/image (this helps overcome the “I want to keep safe in case my originals are destroyed)
    2) for weddings I do offer a digital album (slideshow type DVD) but it is not capable of printing and is a copywritten/locked DVD
    3) I have a MANDATORY contract that my clients MUST sign when they receive digital files. It states that they may ONLY print at a “qualified lab” and I give them a list of places that I trust the quality (such as mpix and a local printing lab with whom I have an ongoing relationship and they have a custom color profile for my studio). My copyright release form states that these images my not be printed by another labs (this way they cannot just take to target, Costco, ect unless that store wants to deal with a lawsuit)

    Comment by Liz — March 19, 2011 @ 1:02 am

  50. GREAT info here Wendy!

    This is the reason I sell “disk only” options at a much higher price point than they are when combined with a print package. I want my clients to have a quality print and quality wall portraits on their walls as that’s what is important for me to deliver.

    I also feel strongly that digital copies of images get more and more difficult to archive as our media is constantly changing. Question – will that CD or DVD still be good in 20, 30, 40 years? When my grandmother passed away, there was joy to be found going through all of the old photo’s that she collected in her lifetime and memories that were found were priceless. Did we go through her computer files? No. So from that perspective, I print and save them, (but if you do have digital,save it both in printed and digital format if you can) and hope that my grandchildren and great grandchildren will have the opportunity to go through my old photographs when I pass.

    Comment by Holli — March 23, 2011 @ 9:04 pm

  51. such a great topic!! i have fought and fought and fought with myself over this issue. at first i stood my ground and said i was not selling digital prints, but bc i was starting out at the time my packages had to be low…not only that the clients selected so many different images to fill up the package that the more business i got…the closer i got to closing shop. A lot of times, clients think about the sitting fee being for the time you spent with them. here is an analogy i used one day on my coach fiance.

    “when you go to work, you go into a building you dont pay for, using supplies you dont pay for, there will be utility bills but you dont pay them at the school, one day you will retire, your work has benefits, like that also like your health care. the text books you pass out are issued to your classroom but not out of your pocket. the school has a website, at no cost to you. when you drive a bus to games its on the tax payers tab and after ALL OF THAT….. you still get a check, no matter what the weather is like or if you had to call in sick one day…when children dont show up to school whether they have a reason or not it does not affect your bank account…when you want to be a better coach or teacher, the workshop is free to you, infact the school will pay for some of your food and your hotel stay……and again after all of that YOU STILL GET A SALARY”

    soooooo how to make it work… well i haven’t got all the kinks out yet, but what i do now is offer digital collections (this does not mean all the pictures) the prices are not “cheap” but they are reasonable. (and will go up over time) What I do different is after the images are selected they go into a new gallery, where they can be downloaded & shared but can also be printed through my print lab (millers) at a cost closer to (cost + tax + shipping) i also refer them to mpix.com for any special needs.

    For the client that wants to see all the images forever…my option is a dvd. i have a program that allows them to veiw it like a slideshow movie but it protects from screenshots and etc. i even tell them to burn copies if theyd like and put one in the lock box.
    i keep all files on external hard drives incase they would like to place orders later.

    it’s not flawless but its the closest ive come to a solution! if you want to see the set up, just msg me :)

    (it wont hurt my feelings if you remove or dont approve my post since im a local to your area…i just wanted to share that with you anyways…the world doesnt have to know :)

    Comment by canon bey — March 30, 2011 @ 12:03 am

  52. I will say I LOVE! your pictures but I will touch on something most have not. You have to think about the Eco. and the area that we Both live in. Times are tough on most people and money is tight. People want your beautiful photos. Yes this quality is not as great from the various other developers but most are not looking at that. They are glad just to be having photos that they can say are done by Wendy White. Though the quality is not great they still feel they are beautiful. I am just speaking from my own personal experience and other people that are close to me. They also fill more control because when they go to order prints from “Wal-Mart” they don’t feel as bad having to explain to wal mart why they can only order this or that, and in the end they have a picture they fill confident and pleased with. For most poeple .09 cents for a 4X6 from Wal-Mart online goes a long way.

    Comment by Sarah — April 20, 2011 @ 6:25 pm

  53. Thanks for sharing…I will be doing the same thing to show my clients!!!

    Comment by Simply Photography — April 21, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

  54. great post! Thanks for posting this, i just had to share. It really shows the differance it makes!

    Comment by Angela — April 29, 2011 @ 1:52 pm

  55. [...] I read a great article this week that I wanted to share with you.  The photographer actually printed the same photo at different places to show the difference.  Check it out!  http://www.wendylwhitephotography.com/info/?p=481%2F [...]

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  56. Okay, so I don’t know you personally, but I wanted to say, “Thank you so much!” for your blog post comparing printed picture quality. I started following you thanks to Yocum Photography and came across your post after printing locally multiple times and ripping the pictures up again and again. I’m just a hobbyist, so I thought I was doing something terribly wrong. It was SO frustrating. I just got my first prints from Mpix and want to cry because they are beautiful. I can’t use Miller Pro (obviously), but I’m so pleased with Mpix. I feel like I owe you a debt of gratitude for your extremely helpful post. So thanks!!

    Comment by Heather Sullivan — May 5, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

  57. [...] more than local printing places for high quality printing. Check out this experiement done by Wendy L. White Photography Photographers spend a lot of time (hours and hours sometime) in editing photos. If you are getting [...]

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  58. BRAVO! Well said! Perfectly in fact. I know that people who hire professional photographers do so because they want something ‘special’…not your run of the mill photo ‘shop’ or someone who bought a fancy camera and now they are a ‘pro’ and in fact have no idea how to even shoot manual. I understand people wanting images and they are mostly for sharing via email with family or fb or whatever…but those who pay $$$$ for a good photographer do it so they can have priceless photographs up on their walls to display as art. ;-)

    Comment by Jana — May 17, 2011 @ 4:51 am

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